Monday, July 2, 2007

Meanwhile; I Get Thrashed Again...

Here we are in our joint-lock flow drill #6, I think we have about nine of them. Once again, this is not a fighting sequence, it is a learning drill. This is all about sensing and adapting to the movements of the opponent. Believe me, my friend Corey could have cranked on me and hurt me bad at any time during this locking sequence. I have tried to resist before and had a near dislocation. With that in mind, we try to run this drill with smoothe continuity and take all the slack out of the linkages involving the locks. This drill is representitive of the Small-Circle Jujitsu system of Wally and Leon Jay, and is very effective when combined with hitting skills.


JoseFreitas said...

Hey Rat Pack!

I loved your lock-flow drills, starting from the first one you have on your site. I was never one for too much interest in locking, but I slowly saw how all of my teachers forms were permeated with qinna and decided to learn it. My karate teacher, Shinji Iwaoka, started training with my chinese teacher, learning Taiji, and not only did we learn the two-person set (I relearned it, he for the first time), but my teacher ended up teaching us two a qinna partner set, which is pretty cool. But is a long form, and the drills you guys do seem really good at ingraining stuff in a way that a form would take a lot more time to.

Where do these drills com from? Did you guys make them up? Or are they part of some formal curriculum? I have a book on Filipino arts that includes some, and my karate teacher has been playing around with the concept and has managed to come up with a few, but it'd be interesting to know more. Can you recommend a video?

One comment on your video: at 1:25 and at 2:05, it seems to me that the locker is exposed to shots to the groin, and that the leg-grab that is initiated is the less realistic counter, rather than slapping or punching.


Dojo Rat said...

Hi Jose;
These are inspired by some of the work of Wally Jay and his son and inheritor of the Small-circle jujitsu system. It's not like Brazilian jujitsu, it's more of a stand-up fighting or Chin-na.
You could probably google Wally or Leon Jay and Small-circle jujitsu to find more info.
My friend learned them directly from the Jays and also Ed Melaugh in Boston, Leon Jay in London. We have modified several and made up others. Try it out and see what you come up with. And yes, there are places where the opponent could strike or grab back, it is more for learning theory and concepts of flow, and would really never be used in a long string of techniques like this. However, if you begin to loose one lock, you need to learn how to transition and maintain some control, hitting and kicking or going for the takedown. Hope this helps.

JoseFreitas said...

OK, thanks. I know what Small Circle Ju Jitsu is, I've got a couple of (pretty bad) books (bad in the sense of bad editing and binding etc...). I am also way more interested in stand up stuff than groundfighting. The forms I learned are pretty long and mix lots of qinna for control, joint destruction and takedowns with strikes, kicks, etc... They're pretty cool, but as usual forms are less good at ingraining this stuff than drills. I'll work with Shinji to come up with something from our forms that works as a continuous drill with not too many moves and run it through my teacher for quality control. He strongly emphasizes joint destruction and locking as a setup for striking rather than control or whatever (his non-Internal background is Eagle Claw, which he practiced as a youth).

By the way, I take it you're the hairy one who goes for Hippie chicks? Or is it that there really is a Ratpack, and there's Hairy Rat, Tall Skinny Rat, etc... :-)

What do you think of Tim Cartmell's standup grappling DVD, by the way?


Chris said...

That reminds me of when I used to study Diato-Ryu when I was in the military and stationed in Okinawa, Japan.

Your arm is sore and, "just one more time".

Dave said...

IMO one of the most important concepts in qinna is to not lock the limbs, but lock the body. The limb locks only exist so that you can gain control of the opponent's center. Once that's established, a throw, takedown, or submission should take place. That way, you train to capitalize on the first lock.

Just my 2 cents.

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