tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post8830417855003601685..comments2024-03-08T02:28:22.720-08:00Comments on Dojo Rat: Modern Combat Concepts with Tim CartmellDojo Rathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12057645566330892415noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-5616733119688870612013-02-14T03:34:58.642-08:002013-02-14T03:34:58.642-08:00You need to take part in a contest for one of the ...You need to take part in a contest for one of the greatest sites on <br />the internet. I most certainly will highly recommend <br />this blog!<br /><br />Also visit my web blog ... <a href="http://partyhymns.com/groups/the-hottest-dieting-approach-presents-additional-than-basically-weightloss/" rel="nofollow">Healthy Diet</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-41670527451694160422010-11-07T20:02:00.066-08:002010-11-07T20:02:00.066-08:00Bill, if you've read the book you know it'...Bill, if you've read the book you know it's a lot more complex than that. <br />1. Some individual boxers were famous for their fighting skills.<br />2. Some had very little training and were just hungry orphans.<br />3. They cut off plenty enough heads, slaughtered thousands of Christians and burned several cities to the ground.<br />4. They clearly were disorganized and only once formed lines scary enough to cause a retreat by soldiers. That says nothing about the skills of those individuals who may have had years real opera training, or how it would have worked in hand to hand, weapon to weapon or a self-defense situation. <br />5. By combat, Cohen is referring to the Boxers being mowed down by crack troops with guns.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04771944484286659825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-20346714117174770132010-11-07T09:09:23.669-08:002010-11-07T09:09:23.669-08:00how about quoting the book you loved, History in T...how about quoting the book you loved, History in Three Keys?<br /><br />"The fighting techniques the Boxers learned (at least in part) from the combat scenes in villages opera performance may well have served them poorly in real combat"<br /><br />well duh, performace oriented stuff is just that, their goal is to impress and entertain the audience. Theater has borrowed elementns from real life includng martial arts. Can a good martial artist be a god performer, sure thing, can a person who just perform for entertaiment be able to apply his stuff in the battlefield? I certainly dont think so.<br /><br />WilliamBillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17216570371084160494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-47442438135392140002010-11-07T09:09:22.363-08:002010-11-07T09:09:22.363-08:00how about quoting the book you loved, History in T...how about quoting the book you loved, History in Three Keys?<br /><br />"The fighting techniques the Boxers learned (at least in part) from the combat scenes in villages opera performance may well have served them poorly in real combat"<br /><br />well duh, performace oriented stuff is just that, their goal is to impress and entertain the audience. Theater has borrowed elementns from real life includng martial arts. Can a good martial artist be a god performer, sure thing, can a person who just perform for entertaiment be able to apply his stuff in the battlefield? I certainly dont think so.<br /><br />WilliamBillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17216570371084160494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-88327834853304946882010-11-07T06:01:34.455-08:002010-11-07T06:01:34.455-08:00Bill I don't know what you mean by instincts, ...Bill I don't know what you mean by instincts, but yes I would say that the internal martial arts all attempt to teach the student to not lock up. Attempting to control is an act of dominance, not self-defense. In push-hands for instance, you don't resist force, you add to it.<br />I don't know what other folks are calling xingyi out there, but closing the gap is an option, not a necessity. People who don't have the power to clear and strike at the same time, often resort to closing the gap because it makes them feel safer. The result is a generation or two of people who dismiss side power and other more difficult techniques.<br /><br />Here is George Xu explaining it to beginners:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6gMh3aZcX4<br /><br />After he explains the basic idea he explains that higher level skills use clearing and striking in the same action (not visible in that video but in many more recent ones).<br /><br />And if you have something to add to the debate about theater and the martial arts I'm all ears.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04771944484286659825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-31512744002184590512010-11-06T12:57:18.927-07:002010-11-06T12:57:18.927-07:00Coming from a guy who believes that dance, perform...Coming from a guy who believes that dance, performance and theatre are important elements in the practice of CMA, you surely have no idea of what’s going on. You claim to know Xingyiquan an one of the first things Xingyi does is to close the distance. You should certainly do better doing you silly African Bagua Performance and leave fighting to fighters, which by the way is what Tim Cartmell is. You obviously are saying that you can override instinctive responses to external stimuli, well good luck with that. Last but not least the less you sniff the stuff you obviously do the smarter you will be.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17216570371084160494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-24572206326565415462010-11-05T11:14:21.247-07:002010-11-05T11:14:21.247-07:00Sorry, but this just doesn't pass the sniff te...Sorry, but this just doesn't pass the sniff test.<br />If you ever have to show up in court because of a fight and you use the expression "extended guard" or any "guard" fighting stance you are going to do prison time. It's just not a self-defense concept, it's a sparring concept. It's a matched fighting concept. It's all about attempting to assert dominance and controlling the environment. If you can do that, you can probably run away.<br /><br />In a surprise attack, you are going to try to increase the chaos, not control it. The more extended you are in your first movement the more likely you are to do damage to your attacker. And anyway the extended positions in kungfu are what you fight TO, not what you fight FROM. You fight FROM a crumpled up position with an elbow on your neck and such.<br /><br />The old masters 150 years ago had experience with real violence, they knew what they were doing when they designed the forms and they didn't do it just for muscle training! If some modern people aren't able to use the postures and stances the way they were passed down it is because they don't have the correct theory of power that goes with the movements. <br />These attempts to "fix" the arts so that they will work in a monkey dance on a mat in front of your friends where nobody gets hurt... are fine as long as you know it's a sports fantasy and not the real thing.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04771944484286659825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-10860302292522358312010-11-05T07:49:48.034-07:002010-11-05T07:49:48.034-07:00good information.... the guard aspect is one i thi...good information.... the guard aspect is one i think about a lot, and i like his slam to the ground theory, too.jchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07623739973599458366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-46966526743393541752010-11-03T08:41:47.050-07:002010-11-03T08:41:47.050-07:00Great to see yo again William, I'm reading you...Great to see yo again William, I'm reading your article in the Journal of Asian Martial Arts, thanks for that!<br /> Yes, I am sore still, I took a easy day Monday but had a big tree pruning job yesterday and now again today, Lots of ladder and overhead work. As one of my friends says, "It's all about the pain".<br />Fortunately, I started conditioning for the seminar about two weeks ago, and that definately helped.<br />See you soon, stay warm in the far north!Dojo Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12057645566330892415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-41457313067355716362010-11-03T08:15:18.182-07:002010-11-03T08:15:18.182-07:00Howdy John,
I dont know about you, but I am still...Howdy John,<br /><br />I dont know about you, but I am still sored from the smeinar. You would have enjoyed the Bagua part as well. Tim's techniques is very smooth and effective. Hope to see you again.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />You Martial brother from the North AKA WilliamBillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17216570371084160494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-24823844489075894822010-11-03T07:38:46.355-07:002010-11-03T07:38:46.355-07:00Excellent post - sounds like you took away a lot o...Excellent post - sounds like you took away a lot of useful stuff from that seminar!Kostas Tountashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16361957279413958852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-58743226226902709892010-11-02T07:25:13.371-07:002010-11-02T07:25:13.371-07:00Well, I can't speak for Tim of course, but I c...Well, I can't speak for Tim of course, but I could clarify:<br /><br />If you are focusing of opponent's sternum-chest area, if you can see his feet in pereferial (sp?) vision then extended guard is ok. Once he moves inside that range, you'd better hit him or get hit. Boxers triangle is the best cover then. Tim was big on hitting, we did a lot of hand pad work that I am familiar with, combos.<br /> Forget trying Chin na against a trained fighter unless you have already rocked him with a hit.<br /> Trapping would be ok but what is the goal? I personally will still work hand trapping. Tim seemed to want to go to the clinch.<br /> Tim definately goes for the hard takedown, and he openly advocated running away as common sense. He is an expert in groundfighting, but does not reccommend it in self-defense for obvious reasons.Dojo Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12057645566330892415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-27442243116715406732010-11-02T03:19:26.305-07:002010-11-02T03:19:26.305-07:00DJR -
Dang that sounds like a good one! We had on...DJR -<br /><br />Dang that sounds like a good one! We had one like that back in my TKD days. Problem is once back at the school we never reviewed the material. There was just too many belt tests and/or tournaments to get ready for and Sabum was already spread thin. <br /><br />Current teacher teaches boxer triangle and either absorbing or slipping/evading. What would Tim say about trapping, grabbing, counter punching? <br /><br />Current teacher still teaches us that - mostly from wing chun and silat. I must ask teacher his opinion on this stuff working against a good boxer or someone with fast hands.BSMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13599662252662686373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6201222618566180765.post-53887168206573227052010-11-01T22:47:43.131-07:002010-11-01T22:47:43.131-07:00Videos from the island dojo displaying Cartmelian ...Videos from the island dojo displaying Cartmelian theory onegaishimasu!!!Zacky Chanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17174486813298415578noreply@blogger.com